Stop Fixating on Posture: Andy Feda‑Chan’s Framework for Pain
Posture isn’t the villain. Here’s how to actually feel better.
I just sat down with Dr Andy Fata‑Chan.
NYC physical therapist and entrepreneur helping athletes and desk workers move pain‑free.
In this episode you’ll learn
A 3‑step test to pinpoint mobility vs strength vs coordination drivers.
A 20‑minute kettlebell EMOM you can finish anywhere, no gym needed.
Why 8k steps and two weekly strength sessions beat posture gadgets for pain.
We dive into the details later in the conversation.
Timestamps
00:00 Intro
02:50 Movement as the primary health driver
06:14 Simple daily routines that actually stick
09:05 Why patients get interrupted in 8 seconds—and how to be heard
11:57 Lifting as mood therapy (what the research really shows)
14:50 Comfort‑first ergonomics and rotating positions that keep you fresh
18:10 Posture gadgets: why “upright” won’t fix pain
20:58 Pillars of long‑term health: sleep, coping, community, and real rest
29:01 Fueling to prevent stress fractures (carbs before long runs)
30:54 Macros for marathon training: practical guardrails
31:53 Pain is multifactorial: treat the ecosystem, not a single joint
33:52 Strength vs stretching for mobility (reverse/nordic use cases)
35:45 When “knees over toes” works—and when it backfires
38:41 Look upstream: ankles, hips, and shins driving knee pain
41:53 When posture actually matters (post‑injury compensations)
43:48 Ownership, nuance, and the phases of responsibility
46:40 Navigating complexity: use 10x thinking to find the one move
49:38 Self‑discovery, leadership, and breaking people‑pleasing loops
52:59 Feel anger and shame—regulate, don’t repress
56:45 Meaning: be where your feet are
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Here’s the full transcript:
Metwally — That One Time Podcast (00:00.142)
My goal as a physical therapist is to actually reproduce your pain and try to figure out what I’m asking your body to do. 2013 study found that poor posture was associated with higher levels of all-cause mortality. Is that actually a problem? No. Oftentimes people are trying to find something to sell you. You have terrible posture, you need to buy this. You have terrible posture, you should buy my program. What do you say to people who have chronic pain in their life and they go to a bunch of different people and they don’t seem to get any solutions? What’s missing?
someone actually tell their story. So often you’ll go to a healthcare provider, you’re asked like, hey, what are you coming in for? And you get interrupted very quickly. How can I possibly help someone without understanding their story? Based on somebody understanding that it’s not just physical, what have you found are the key pillars of health to rehabilitate somebody for the long term? So the first thing...
Welcome to That One Time with Adam Metwally, the podcast bridging the gap between health, hustle and happiness. We are at podcast for a while in Chelsea, New York City, and I am with entrepreneur and physiotherapist Andy Feda-Chan. Hey, mate. What’s going on? Thank you for coming on. Appreciate you having me. Of course, mate. So a 2013 study found that poor posture was associated with higher levels of all cause mortality, especially in older populations.
Phone neck is a modern challenge for many people due to increased screen time and our reliance on our phones. And from what I understand, poor posture can cause skeletal pain, circulatory issues, digestive problems, impaired liver functions, nerve compression, spinal misalignment, increased stress, fatigue, mood changes, lower motivation, and sleep disturbances. my gosh. So someone spent years at their desk or on their phone and now have had bad posture.
From your opinion, is that actually a problem? No. think it depends on your belief, right? If you believe it’s a problem, you probably will be more stressed out and guess that will have a negative impact on your health. But in general, there’s no concrete evidence of this is good posture versus this is bad posture. Some people might have a little bit more of a rounded forward shoulder and more kyphotic in their upper back. But if you look at any sport, for instance, right?
Metwally — That One Time Podcast (02:21.614)
Even if you look at someone like rowing, all those people have terrible postures, but they’re sustaining rowing or biking for an extremely long period of time. And you would be like, oh yeah, all those people are super unhealthy because they have a very rounded, forward neck posture. Yet there are some of the most fittest people on earth. And even when you look at like the marathons, if you get to watch the New York City marathon, you know, when it’s like the sub 230, everyone looks exactly the same. It’s like no one’s got a single bicep. Super tall lanky.
Then you got sub 30, right? Then you start to get some like hybrid athletes, sub 330, more like, you people that look like they lift weights, sub four, yep, lots of hybrid athletes, sub five, it’s like the circus. There’s a bunch of different people, lots of different bodies. And I think oftentimes when we think about posture, it’s like, we think of there’s this one perfect position, but I think there’s a wide variety of ranges that can really, really work. So what is going on with all of these?
posture fears that are coming out because you hear it on a lot of influencers in the health space. You see it all the time. Is it not warranted at all? think you kind of said it right? Like it’s fear and it’s, where does it come from though? It’s going to come from something. I think there’s a lot of things that like, it’s almost like pass on from generation to generation. But when you actually look at the literature, they’ve done studies on like forward head angles and they’ve anterior pelvic tilt.
And there’s no correlation between those things and pain. But I think it’s like, if you think about growing up, for instance, right? What happens when you’re like this at the dinner table? Oh, what are you doing, Adam? up straight. Sit up straight. Right? Or sometimes it’s societal things, right? Can you imagine a female growing up just sitting like this? It’s like, no, you’re supposed to look very put together and upright. So there’s just this narrative of societal learning that we have over time that influences our beliefs and
until you meet a healthcare provider that actually reads all the research and educates you, you realize that most of these things are just things that are passed on from generation to generation. It’s like random herbal things that your parents try, Adam, you have a cold? Let’s just drink this random concoction. It’s always worked for us, right? So I think that’s how it’s learned. And there’s certain things in different schools of thought, certain things that have been around for a while, that an upright posture can increase blood flow.
Metwally — That One Time Podcast (04:45.709)
mean, a lot of things will increase blood flow. If you walk, you’re going to increase blood flow. it’s saying a lot of things that it’s not that good. Like having a more upright posture is going to drastically change your health. It’s just, oftentimes people are trying to find something to sell you, right? So you have terrible posture. You need to buy this. You have terrible posture. You should buy my program. It’s like, you’re okay. There’s probably a lot of other things that we could probably manage. What is the root cause of the posture problem then?
Let’s just say someone comes to you and they feel like they’re in pain, they’ve got poor posture, and they’ve associated the two problems together. Because using myself as an example, I think I’ve gone to a number of different physios and over time they’ve all said, you’ve got this forward head carriage and your head is four centimeters further forward and that’s 20 pounds worth of extra weight on your neck and over the years that decreases blood flow to your brain and I’m like, okay, I’ll try and fix it and then I try and fix it.
and it doesn’t really fix anything. And I just am looking at myself at side angle in the mirror and being like, look at this idiot. Yeah, and you’re just in a bathroom mirror like this, like smushing your chin down. And listen, if these things work and they actually address all of your posture, you wouldn’t have to constantly, every 15 minutes, try to adjust your posture. They would actually, quote unquote, fix it. But most of our posture when we’re sitting and doing day-to-day things is just habit.
Right? Like you don’t want to be nice and upright when you’re watching Netflix, right? When I’m watching Love is Blind, I kind want to be like, I just want to be chilling like this. So I think oftentimes the root causes of these things are not just posture itself. It’s probably a bigger picture. And the big picture is that 80 % of people are physically inactive. So we need to get people moving. Not a lot of people get 8,000 steps per day. So if you check your step count and you’re like 3000 or 4000, it’s like that could probably increase.
Not a lot of people actually strength train, right? Like two days a week of strength training or have any sort of aerobic exercise in their routine. So we can look at like posture and there might be some effect on health, or we can look on the bigger things, which like strength training and cardiovascular exercise, that’s actually going to improve your metabolic health and all the other things that you kind of mentioned earlier in the podcast. Yeah, that makes sense. So what are some good techniques for people to improve their metabolic health?
Metwally — That One Time Podcast (07:08.929)
generally exercise wise, let’s just say you are, you get those basics down pat and they still feel off. Where do you go from there? Yeah. So it’s never going to be like, you’re coming in for pain. It’s just metabolic health, right? It’s taking a big picture for everything. let’s say you’re coming in and you said you were dealing with like, some posture related pains. every single time you’re, you’re sustained in this position for a while, you feel a lot of tension in your neck and your shoulders. Yeah.
So other things that we would start to look at is just actively moving your neck side to side in all the different directions and seeing when I could reproduce your neck pain. Other times it might be moving your shoulder and moving your shoulder reproduces your neck pain. But my goal as a physical therapist is to actually reproduce your pain and try to figure out what I’m asking your body to do. And it’s not always like, if you have neck pain, it’s a neck issue. There’s a lot of times where people will move their shoulders and experience that neck pain. Cause if you have limited overhead mobility, you might start to shrug a lot of the shoulders and that can increase tension here.
So my goal for the sessions is to figure out, it a mobility related issue? Is it a strength related issue? And sometimes it’s a coordination related issue as well. And there’s a host of other things that you can probably look at. But I would say those three are the main things that I’ll be assessing from a physical therapy lens. Makes sense. So what would be your 80, 20 morning, evening routines to help get yourself into your best physical shape possible? There’s so many things that aren’t
related to the actual physical side of things. In the morning routine, I got to start off with Saratoga and not Coach Thomas. And I dug my face in it. No, in the morning, it’s just literally like my routine is just get up, drink coffee, take my dog for a walk, and then get ready for the day. And I think just getting some sort of movement in, right? I see these influencers and it’s like, here’s my 15 minute routine to get going. I’m like, You don’t think they’re useful?
I think it can be useful, know, if that’s something that you enjoy and you want to do, perfect. But to say like, this is something you have to do in the morning to optimize the morning. It’s like everyone’s got different ways of kind of getting going. And I think when we’re thinking it from the consumer lens or people that are watching content, right? Most people are in like the thirties, forties and fifties and they’re just like, they might have, you know, a couple of kids, they might have a job and all these other things. It’s like, we don’t have time for these very crazy, intricate routines. It’s just,
Metwally — That One Time Podcast (09:35.053)
Coffee in the morning, get walking. In lunch, it’s the same thing. After I eat, I’ll try to go for a long walk. At night, things that I’ll work on is just like taking nice deep breaths. So we kind of did the box breathing prior to starting. It’s just at night, I’ll just kind of lay on my back and I’ll just like literally, I’ll repeat some mantras in my head to myself, take a couple of deep breaths and I’ll just feel my body just relax and ease into the floor. So it’s just things like that. There’s nothing that is like a hard constant for me, honestly.
I just kind of go day by day and kind of figure out what I need. Like prior to going into work, one of my cues is whenever the sun hits my face, I just take a pause. And people will think I’m crazy because I’m literally on 45th Street and 5th Ave. I pause in a corner, I close my eyes, and I just feel the sun on my face. And I repeat my mantra five times. What’s your mantra out of curiosity? You can’t share it? Yeah, I like to share it. I have enough. Everything that I want to be, I already am. I’m aligned and everything is happening for me. All that is for me flows to me with ease.
I am safe and secure in my life and from that safe and secure space, I get to dream big. I feel like I can do whatever. And I’ll take a deep breath there and I’ll repeat that five times. stuff like that, literally if I do that, I can feel my whole body just relax. But so much of like what’s optimal is like what feels good for you, right? Like some people really need to hear more positive self-talk because we know the average human beings has about 12,000 thoughts per day, but almost 80 % of them are negative.
Some people don’t get enough steps, right? If you work from home, so like, what would your morning, lunch and dinner routine be? Go for a walk, eat breakfast, go for a walk, eat lunch, go for a walk, eat dinner, go for a walk. And that would do tons of good stuff for your health and improve digestion and all those things, you know? It’s not like, let’s eat breakfast and sit upright and improve my digestion, right? It’s like, eat breakfast, go for the walk. So kind of think about what do you need from your life? You know, do you need like just to build some strength, right?
Your morning, afternoon, and dinner routine can literally be what we talked about with the pushups and pull ups and taking these micro breaks. Does it just general exercise? Go for a walk. Is it like more mindfulness things? Maybe a cue for yourself would be to like do 10 deep breaths and feel super present and then have the meal and be super present with your meal and then go back to your day to day. But there’s so many different aspects of health. It’s so hard to be like, but it’s always physical or you’re always emotionally off.
Metwally — That One Time Podcast (11:57.581)
Because we know if we do things physically, also changes our emotions and vice versa. Yeah. So something around lifting heavy weights is as good as antidepressants or better form of antidepressant than actual antidepressants. Yeah. There’s tons of research to show like the endorphins that you get from training, running, runners high. I thought it was a myth, but it does happen. It definitely happens. But those are the kind of things that you’re just giving yourself a better shot at being more regulated and healthier.
by implementing these into your life. do think about these kettlebell, single kettlebell routines? I love kettlebells. Yeah. And I love it because it’s practical, right? if you’re sometimes, if you have to walk in, go to a gym, that’s going to one, it’s a 15 to 20 minute walk to the gym and the gym routine might be anywhere for an hour, hour and a half. And it’s another 20 minute walk back. like it can take a large part of your day up if you’re busy. Whereas if you’re utilizing kettlebells, like I love kettlebells. We do a lot of
a workout called EMOM, so it’s every minute on a minute. Minute one might be like 10 swings on the right arm, minute two might be 10 swings on the left arm, you do that for 10 rounds and it might be one Turkish get up on the right, one Turkish get up on the left and you can do that in 20 minutes and that workout’s called simple and sinister. So it’s just like doing something every minute on a minute. You can almost zone out and do that workout on command. Whereas sometimes you’re at the gym, you you do a set of bench and you’re doom scrolling for 15 minutes and it’s like you lose track of time.
Yeah, I’ve locked out my phone. When I go work out, I put this app called Opal and it locks yourself out completely for an hour. So and it takes a while to unlock it. So I end up just staring at the wall. That’s what you need, right? To like decompress. But I love kettlebells because you can literally have them in your apartment, your living room and like get a workout in whenever. Yeah, actually, specifically on kettlebells. So I’m 205 pounds. What’s a good rule of thumb weight?
for someone wanting to buy a kettlebell based on the percentage of how much they weigh or their ideal weight? Yeah, so there’s a company called Strong First and they certify a lot of people with kettlebells. And the standard for men, so if you’re under 150 pounds, you’ll test with a 20 kilo kettlebell, which is 44 pounds. If you’re 150 to 220 pounds, you’ll test with a 24 kilo. And if you’re over 220 pounds, you start with a 28 kilo. So it’s just 44, 53, and 63 pounds respectively. But I think that’s a great starting point.
Metwally — That One Time Podcast (14:22.477)
But you can build a lot of strength fairly quickly. yeah. So start with a 20 and go from there. So I’ll probably start with a 24 and then go from there. Yeah, interesting. OK. So look, I want to explore specifically like, I’ve had forward head carriage and lower back pain for years. I’ve tried a lot of different ways to resolve it. What do you say to people similar to me who have chronic pain in their life and they go to a bunch of different people?
and they don’t seem to get any solutions, what’s missing? I think what’s missing is actually one, allowing someone to actually tell their story, right? Because it’s so, so often you’ll go to a healthcare provider and the research shows this as well. You’re asked like, Hey, what are you coming in for? And you get interrupted very quickly. So the average physician will interrupt the patient within eight seconds of them speaking. And in my head, I’m like, how can I possibly help someone without understanding their story? So I think most people don’t often get to speak.
And from the story that someone tells me, you know, what are previous injuries? How did this happen? What does it feel like in your body? What do you think is going on? All of these things, you know, a doctor sometimes like, oh, I know you just Googled these things and you’re presenting me. I don’t want to doctor Google. It’s wrong with that. Yeah. I don’t think there’s anything wrong with that. You know, I love the fact that people come in with these explanations that use chat, GPT, because it means they’re invested. Yeah. Right. It’s better than someone that comes in. It’s like, just tell me what to do. Like, I want people to come in that have.
actually research and I want them to tell me everything that they found. And I also want to know what they think is going on as well because it’s a collaborative relationship. So I think at the bare minimum, the foundation of everything that we do, it’s just we have to listen really, really well because that other person is going to give us a lot of good insights that we’ll want to test. And afterwards it’s, can we figure out where we need mobility? Can we figure out where we need strength, coordination, and can we start to scale whatever we find that first day into something more meaningful?
Because you have back pain, you probably did bird dogs, banded clamshells, right? Tie something around your knee and you do a couple of clamshells. I’ve been given a lot of random exercises over the years and it’s very hard to keep them going. It’s very unmotivating. Yeah, because it’s not very exciting and you don’t even know where it’s helping you move towards, So within the first session, if you can walk into our clinic, I can already show you all the exercise progressions to get you back to running. If you can just...
Metwally — That One Time Podcast (16:46.571)
walk up and down the stairs, I can show you exactly how to get you back to a single leg squat. So it’s like every single exercise that we utilize in a clinic, I have about five regressions and five progressions for them. And I just focus on function. You what do you want to get back to? Is it playing basketball? Well, perfect. We’re going to have to implement jumps and plyometrics. Are you wanting to get back to heavy lifting? Well, perfect. I’m going to have to coach up your barbell lifts to make sure that they actually look good. But I think people will go to physical therapy clinic and
you know, you might have a different goal than someone else that’s on another side of the table and you guys are doing the same exact exercises and it’s coming out of the copy machine and no one gets an actual bespoke customized program towards who they are, the injury history and what their goals are. It’s just, Oh, you got shoulder pain? Well, we got those three to five exercises we’re going to do for their shoulder and you’re the physical therapist just praying that in three to five months you feel better, right? But there’s no progression. You’re doing these exercises in a corner. No one’s actually coaching you up and looking at all these different intricacies of movement.
And think that’s what’s also missing. It’s listening to someone’s story, having a legitimate assessment, putting a plan together and making sure that plan can actually scale to something that’s meaningful versus doing the same exact exercises for three, six months. Yeah. Yeah. Do you, do you see benefit in high rep versus low rep? What’s, what’s ideal when it comes to, I guess, recovery of muscular issues and. Yeah, I think it’s,
You always want to make things as specific as possible to what your goals are. So the higher you go in reps, you can still build strength, but it’s not quite as good as lower repetition movements. let’s say... So in rehab though, are you better off doing higher repetition movements than lower repetitions? Is there any logic to that? No, I definitely think there’s a logic to it, right? Because in the beginning, let’s say your knees are hurting you and it probably hurts you to do a goblet squat with like 80 pounds, but you can do a goblet squat with 40 pounds and you can handle higher repetitions.
So I’d rather start there with higher repetitions and slowly build to lower repetitions as you can start to handle more intensity. So it’s just a progressive load on the body to get to a point where you can do the work at no pain. And because you’re not failing, because it’s not that heavy, you make up for it with more reps. Is that the general approach? Correct. Yeah, because one thing that you have to realize is intensity and volume are inversely correlated.
Metwally — That One Time Podcast (19:03.117)
Right? As I ramp up the intensity of the weights, I can’t do the same amount of volume. I’m going to be too taxing. It’s going to be too taxing to the body. So you want to pull one lever at a time. You know, if I’m able to handle 40 pounds goblet squat for a set of 15, and I start to increase the weight, I probably don’t want to keep it at the same volume over time, because it’s a lot for the body. Sure. That makes sense. I want to dig into workstation setup. So how important is it to have an ergonomic setup with a chair, a good desk?
monitor at eye level, all of those kind of things that you see on the internet. And what is the optimum workplace setup? Yeah, a lot of, and this is kind of like, the best way to explain it is actually through running shoes. So they did a bunch of research on like, you know, using a bunch of fancy technology to pick the ideal running shoe for you. And then they compared it to, hey, just pick what’s comfortable for you. And picking the comfortable shoe actually helped reduce injuries than better.
better than any other metric. So just going into shoeing, like, you know, when you go to like foot lock, you put on a couple of shoes, you jog in place, you do stuff that you never would do, right? You do that. you know, just wear it, go for a jog back and forth. How does it feel? That feels great. It’s probably a good shoe for you. You self-select for comfort and that naturally will help you move better. Now imagine someone told you, hey, Adam, this is going to be a great shoe for you, but it’s like so fricking uncomfortable on your foot. You’re probably going have a really weird gait or run afterwards. And I think it’s the same thing for,
ergonomics and setups for home. It’s like what makes you feel really, really good? Some people might like their screen a lot higher than somebody else. Some people might want the screen just tilted their chin up just slightly. So I think you have to adjust as much as you can. But what we talked about with like having multiple setups, right? Is there a setup where you can sit on the floor? Is there a setup where you can also stand? Is there a setup where you can be in like a half kneeling position or even in a pigeon pose? And people that have been sitting in the same position for
very long time, their body’s just craving a change. It could be anything. I think the better you have, like the more adaptable your workstation is to having a lot of different positions, the looser you can feel by the end of your workday. Yep. So you don’t necessarily have a requirement on head height or where your elbows should stand, elbows should be? No, cause we’re not robots, you know, we’re like, we’re human beings and our joints have to move.
Metwally — That One Time Podcast (21:26.989)
in a lot of different positions to increase blood flow. It’s not just one static position that’s going to increase blood flow, which is changing it constantly. There are things I do agree will make things a lot more comfortable, know, like things like ventilated chairs, right? You know, sometimes you’re like, you’re sitting in a chair and it just gets so warm. having some ventilation on bottom is great. Having some elbow rests where you’re not like reaching for down below, but a lot of these things you will self-select for. Does the lumbar support feel good?
When we first started, kind of put it here and I’m like, oh, that’s not good. So I put it back to the back. So you’re constantly just always adjusting to feel, know, kind of feel it out. And if it’s like, oh, I could, I could be here for a little bit. It’s probably good for you. There’s no like definitive, you have to be here or you’re going to be in pain. Is lumbar support a scam or is it genuine? You know, you get these car seats with the back support. Wouldn’t it be a better solution to...
not have a wake back? don’t think like having a lumbar support is actually going to... LeBron James uses a lumbar support. you watch, like when he takes the time out, he has a lumbar support that he uses for the chair in the NBA games. I don’t think a lumbar support by any means is going to cause you to have a weak back. I think what’s going to cause you to have weak back is not strength training at all. And lumbar support is really just there so that you might feel a little bit more supported and comfortable.
on a long car ride or sitting in the office for an extended period of time. But I would probably recommend you to use it, take it out, use it, take it out so that it kind of changes your spine position. So being dynamic. Yeah, exactly. Got it. Makes sense. So I know standing desks have become really popular. Do you find they’re actually helpful or are they overhyped? I think they’re great. The one thing I really enjoy is the walking desk with the standing desk combo. Oh, yeah. Yeah, that’s great. You’re in Zoom meetings and your head just like,
Bobbing up and down. When my friends does podcasts while walking, it’s crazy. But it’s crazy, right? Because we have to invent these things because as a society, we’re so physically inactive now. The research has shown that every single decade, more and more people are unable to do the agent squat that we’re talking about, get into a full squat. And it’s just crazy. I think anything that promotes movement, I’m always for it. And any kind of hack that you can put into your day-to-day life to make it easier.
Metwally — That One Time Podcast (23:49.357)
To me, it’s like, that’s right there is amazing. And you probably feel so much better. But yeah, I think the only thing where it might do you wrong is if you’re standing, you’re just leaning on the desk. If you’re standing and just leaning, make sure you’re actually adopting a different position. You’ll probably feel better. Yeah, makes sense. Posture gadgets. Terrible. Tell me about it. No, I just think that most of these things,
They just look so cringy and I would never Are they helpful? I think they could be helpful in a sense that like if you love to just be like slouched, you can wear it and it’ll kind of give you some feedback to be a little bit more upright. But you don’t necessarily see being upright as something that really matters? No. Okay. If it did. So it is a waste. Yeah, essentially, right? It’s not something that like it’s going to make or break anything. Okay. And if being upright was the solution, why does chronic pain just keep increasing every single year? We already have the solution.
Right? So that’s kind of like my gripe with it. Like people are like, you have to do these things. But I’m like, these solutions, cupping, needling, scraping, they’ve been around for thousands of years. Yet pain just keeps getting worse and worse every single year. What are we missing? I think a human approach. Because we’re more than just muscles, bones, and joints. We’re beliefs, we’re thoughts, we’re experiences. And all of these things play a huge role in overall health. And most people would just want to simplify it and like just
I need to get my posture better. like, that’s not the complete picture. know, like you’re overly stressed. And if we think about a nervous system, it’s like, what is our nervous system meant for? It was meant to like, fend our tribe away from like a predator or go hunting and then bring back whatever we hunted and just relax for the rest of the day. But what do we do now? It’s like, we go hunting our nine to five job. We come home and we’re still checking emails. We’re super stressed out. We go on Instagram and we see that we could be in a better position than,
we are now and we’re just constantly inundated with this acute stress all of the time until it becomes chronic stress. And then that chronic stress takes a toll on your body. So it’s like, it’s hard to just fixate on one aspect of health and not look at everything else. Based on somebody understanding that it’s not just physical, what have you found are the key pillars of health to rehabilitate somebody for the longterm? So the first thing,
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I just had someone said something really great on podcast I was listening to. Can you match your work ethic to a really good rest ethic? Because we’re so good at working, working, grinding, grinding. But are you able to rest and recover? Because most people are like, I’m going to do an active recovery day. And I’m going to do a hard ass Pilates class. It’s like, no, that’s not active recovery. Active recovery is like literally sitting on your couch and just relaxing. What is active recovery? Active recovery, it’s almost like a gimmick.
almost right. There’s nothing active about it. You don’t need to do anything active to recover. Just relax and don’t do anything stressful to the body. so the concept of active, I always thought active recovery meant doing some form of activity still. Yeah, I think you could, right? You can do like your mobility work. You can do some stretching, but like don’t do like a, I know like five to six mile run, but yeah, just a recovery run. It’s like, just let your body relax. Like everyone should have one to two days a week of complete rest.
or they’re not doing anything physically taxing. think that should be a staple. Other things is sleep. So if you’re sleeping four to five hours a week, there’s only, I can’t really. Week, that’s crazy. I’m sorry, four to five hours. Four to five hours a day, it’s like there’s only so much you could do, right? It’s like I’m trying to put out a fire with a water gun. Like you gotta be sleeping seven to eight hours a day. From there, other things is like coping mechanism. And you might see this with like friends where it’s like.
when bad things happen to them, they’re just like so victim mentality. what was me? Why does this always happen to me? Or like, how am I ever gonna get out of this? And it’s like, you’ve done so much harsh in your life, just relax. Like this is just one of those seasons and you’re gonna overcome this. So we’ve got actually recovering, sleeping, having good like coping mechanisms, relationships, like just making sure that like you’re a part of like a community.
People that follow a religion or follow like people that are very like-minded to themselves typically live longer because they’re part of a community. There’s things like diet and diet is, man, I’m no expert in it, but I know there’s a lot of stuff out there. People are saying like carnivore, keto, yada, yada, yada. There’s so many different schools of thought. But I think at the end of the day, it’s just like have some moderation. 80 % of my diet is whole foods, 20 % is whatever the hell I want. And that is usually pretty good for the most part.
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So I kind of look at it from all those different lenses, making sure, one of the first things I’ll ask people, especially if they’re doing like ultra endurance events is how much are you eating? Right? Because there’s so many people that will get a stress injury ramping up for a marathon because they’re not eating enough. Wait, so you’re saying like a stress fracture, like stress fractures come in part because you’re not putting in enough nutrients in your body? Correct. Yeah.
So let’s say if you’re running, you burn a shit ton of calories, all of the fuel that you’re consuming is actually going to go to the organs that are keeping you alive, your brain, your heart, and all these other things. The bones and muscles and everything are almost last, right? Because everything else is required for you to actually be a functioning human being. So what you’ll see when people are over-exercising and under-fuelling is just general, know, lethargic fatigue. But over time, they do get predisposed to more bone stress injuries. Interesting. So
Do you have a general framework of ideal calories and protein, fats and carbs splits for somebody who like right now, a lot of my friends are training for the New York marathon. Where would you generally put them? man, it’s, I can’t speak with like conviction, but you know, things that there are some, there’s a lot of varying rules for fats.
I know there’s something along the lines, like for me, I’m like 165 pounds. I’m roughly getting about 70, 80 grams of fat. I get about 75 % of my body weight in pounds in protein, and then the rest goes into carbs. again, that’s what- many calories that ends up being? Oh, I probably consume close to like 2,800 to 3,200 calories a day. Yeah. But you know, I gained weight when I ran the New York City marathon year and a half ago. Yeah. I was finishing my long runs and I went straight to get a half rotisserie chicken.
pork fried rice, like I ate a Peruvian Chinese meal near me every single week. most people, you know about carb loading before a long race, but you should be carb loading before your long runs as well. So most people don’t eat a lot the day before a long run. And we have a lot of people that are working very stressful jobs and they’ll skip meals and then they’ll use the run to decompress. And I’m like, you need to feel your body. But I would definitely be working with a dietician.
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There’s so many great dietitians within the space that can really help guide you with that process. I hate giving advice on food because it’s one of those things. It’s such a touchy subject depending on people’s relationships with it. Yeah, it makes sense. And you think if you handle a lot of those things, some of your physical chronic ailments would just start to go away on their own? Yeah. You’re thinking about the body as like an ecosystem.
This can sometimes be very, I don’t ever want people to feel intimidated by the fact that pain is so multifactorial. I want you to feel like super inspired because there’s not one right solution to address the pain. There’s a lot of things that you can probably improve, right? To kind of get you to where you want to be. whenever like someone, I hear patients that come through my door, it’s like, yeah, I’ve been having back pain for five years and yeah, I know my hamstrings are just so tight and I ask questions and
you they don’t strength train, right? They just spend most of their time foam rolling and stretching their hamstrings. And I’m like, you should probably progressively get stronger in your deadlift so that whenever you’re carrying things off the ground, it’s fairly easy. They also, hear that they’re stressed out of their minds with work. And again, I’m not going to coach them from those things, but I just like to build awareness that stress can play a role with a lot of these things. When I was working with patients during COVID and like everyone’s world shut down, every person that was working with, almost like 50 % of them, their pain went up.
Right? Because there was just so much stress. So it is just a funny kind of approach, but I want people to know that there’s so many other things that they can do to improve. And let’s say like you came to me and you’re like, Hey, I drink like 16 ounces of water a day. Like, well, drinking a lot of water will probably help. I’m not sure to what degree, right? Like it might help 10, 15%, but all we’re looking to do is stack a bunch of 10, 15 % together to get you back to a hundred percent.
But if you just focus solely on like, it’s got to be this hip mobility. My hips are so tight. You’re missing all the other opportunities to actually become a more resilient human being. Yeah, it makes sense. I’ve been recently doing a lot of reverse Nordics and Nordic exercises. What are your thoughts around those exercises? How do your hips feel after? It’s hard, man. I can only do reverses so far. I’m quite weak.
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for now in that position. The cool part is when you train muscles in a lengthened position, when the body lays down new tissue, it’ll remodel itself to be a little bit more lengthened as well. So if you want your hip flexors not feel quite as tight and you keep doing reverse Nordics where you’re just leaning back and stretching the quads and your hip flexors, over time as you start to control that range better and better, your hips will feel looser. Granted you’re doing it right, right? Meaning you have a straight line from your knees, hips to your shoulders.
There’s a lot of people that will do the reverse Nordic and they’ll lead with extension from their lower back and they let their ribs flare and their pelvis. your whole thing needs to be like, yeah, want to be like nice and upright and neutral and then lean back because you’re going to feel a way better load through a quads and hip flexors. So I love those exercises. And that’s kind of what I mean by like that over time will give you a better outcome for your hip flexor mobility than just doing a
a static hip flexor stretch and hold for 30 to 60 seconds. Yeah, actually on that, when I meant to say reverse Nordics, I meant the negative Nordic negative Nordics because I’m not strong enough to do the other way. I got you for the hamstrings. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, it’s a hard exercise. It’s a very hard exercise. But I’m getting better. Yeah. I follow a guy called Knees Over Toes guy, Patrick, Ben Patrick. What do you think of the strategy that he has? Because he
found it interesting that he repaired, he avoided surgery and he doesn’t stretch, but he’s extremely strong and flexible and explosive, which breaks my brain a little bit. I think Ben’s got a lot of great stuff. I think where it can go like wrong is thinking that it’s a solution for everybody. Yeah. I think it works, right? And you can’t deny that it works because he’s had a lot of people that has success with his programs.
But what you usually don’t find until you look at Reddit threads is people were like, I did knees over toes program and my knees got worse. Or like it didn’t make any improvements. What caused that usually? Just not the input that they needed, right? If that was the one program that was going to solve all knee pain, like why do we still have knee pain? This would be studied by everybody. And I think oftentimes you can fall into these small echo chambers. And this is exactly what happens in a Reddit threads. Someone goes, hey, I did the knees over
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toes program and I didn’t get any better. And the next 10 comments are all, you’re just not doing it right. It’s like, they’re not complicated movements, right? And it’s just like, no one ever acknowledges the fact that like, it might not be the right program for the other person. I think what Ben has done is he’s done a great exercise approach to progressively load your knees more, which is the right thing to do. There’s a lot of different exercises that he utilizes to progressively load them, which I think is great, but it might miss the boat for
people that might need something else. So how would you know if you need something else? You just try it and if it doesn’t improve after three months, it could be another problem. Sometimes you can know within the same session. let’s say like I was looking at your knees and I’m checking how well your knee bends. And I also check to see how well your shin rotates. And on one side, your shin barely rotates and that knee doesn’t bend well. And on the other side, the shin rotates really well and the knee bends amazing.
Perfect. If I do some manual therapy to your shin to get it to twist more, if I do an exercise that promotes the shin to twist more and then I check your flexion again and your knees move perfectly, like perfect, what you’re going to need is to actually improve your rotation of your shin in order to improve your knee flexion. If you get down to a deep squat and as you get to the bottom of squat, you feel a pinch in your knees, and I’m trying to figure out why you’re feeling that pinch in your knees, I might just have you bring your knee to your chest to check out your hip flexion, right? And on one side, again.
hip flexion clear as day. On the other side, you feel a pinch in your hip. So that person might now be going down into a squat, run out of space in their hip and put more stress to their knees. So that same person, I might do an exercise like a staggered stance deadlift and I start to put some length in their glutes, improve the hip mobility, retest this position to see if their range improve. If it did, I’ll retest the squat to see how the squat feels and the squat feels better. It’s like perfect. I just made your squat feel better by improving your hip mobility.
So the goal for us, it’s to take out the guesswork. It’s not to just throw a blanket program at something. I’ve identified a key limiter. I’m gonna do something to address that limiter, then I’m gonna retest it to see if it feels better. And if it feels better, then I’m gonna scale that stimulus over time. I’m gonna make you deadlift more weights. I’m gonna work on you controlling that rotation of the shin with a further range. But our goal isn’t just to like, just help. You have a knee problem, just do these exercises, right?
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I think what Ben has done is what traditional physical therapy has done, but even better, right? Like traditional physical therapy is like, Hey, you have back pain. Here’s three to five exercises. You’re to do like a bird dog exercise. You can do some posterior tilt, some bridges, a side plank, and then you’re on your way. Ben is like, okay, if you have knee pain, here’s some core movements that you have to do. And here’s all the progressions as you get stronger. And here’s some regressions that you can utilize, which is great. Now the next step above it is making sure that the progressions and regressions are very specific to the person’s.
elements. Yep, gotcha. Just quickly though, I love doing this podcast. If it’s positively impacted you in some way and you would like to support us, please subscribe. By subscribing, it allows us to build a much bigger base of listeners, which results in better guests, better production and a better show overall. Alternatively, please take a look at the affiliate links of the products that I use and love in the comments below.
and consider purchasing using those links. They’ll give you a discount and they’ll also provide the podcast a small kickback. These are two very easy ways for you to support us as we continue to grow the podcast that we absolutely love doing. Thank you for your support and I’m back to the episode. What do think of the idea of sitting is a new smoking? Because we hear that a lot from a physical therapy perspective. How harmful is it? man, I know people that sit a lot and they’re amazing athletes.
There’s so many people that sit all day and then, you know, after they get off work, they are absolute savages. You know, they’re crushing triathlon training, they’re sprinting and running, et cetera. I mean, they’re probably, they’re doing a lot of exercise and making up for it. Yeah, they’re making up for it. Right. So it’s like, I don’t think sitting is the new smoking. Like, I don’t think people understand how bad smoking is. So maybe it’s a, maybe it’s a proxy for inactivity. Yeah. It’s kind of like, they had that study where it’s like, people that have a really, high grip strength tend to live longer.
But it’s not like if you just train your grip strength in isolation, you’re going to live longer. It’s like someone at his wheelchair bounds like, don’t worry, I’m squeezing my forearm. I’m going to live. No, it’s like people that have high grip strength tend to just be physically active. So it’s like people that sit for a long period of time, on average, if you sit for a while, you’re just probably physically inactive. Yeah, that makes a lot more sense. So it’s all a proxy for general movement and strength and maybe weightlifting, carrying heavy things around.
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that impact on your body. Yeah, for sure. We just live in a society now where it’s like we’re just sitting and doing nothing for way too long. Someone said something funny. It’s late at night, I take a break from my medium screen so I can focus on my little screen and my big screen. That’s all life has become. It’s like transitioning screens. We’re not doing anything. We’re not talking to people, having relationships, moving our bodies, enjoying other people’s companies. And there’s so much missing from a general health perspective.
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Wrapping this part up, for somebody who’s a little bit confused or maybe knows they don’t have great posture but doesn’t feel any pain or problems, is it worth preventatively exploring this or is it something that doesn’t really matter?
There are times where it does matter, right? So when does it matter? That’s probably a good point to understand. So like, let’s say, let’s you tear your left Achilles. What would happen to your posture if you’re trying to offload your left side? You would probably want to shift to your right side, right? And then if you don’t rehab that left Achilles really, really well, then you just stay on your right side for a long period of time. And then you start to experience some ailments on your right side. So there are definitely times where posture matters, but it’s not.
the correcting of the posture itself, it’s what calls you to have that posture that you have to address over time. And we see this so much where, you if you’re doing something cyclical, like running, why does only one knee hurt? Why does only one hip hurt? And then I start to take someone’s history. It’s like, yeah, I’ve had like 10 ankle sprains on this left side. And I’m like, okay. So like all those things are going to tell me a better story. Right? So I’ve had, I still remember I was working with a collegiate gymnast dealing with right IT band pain.
after she started picking up running. it wasn’t, as we started to scale her rehab and she got back to jumping, I was like, wow, your left side really sucks at jumping. And she goes, oh, I forgot to tell you, I tore my Achilles when I was a kid and on the left side. I’m like, oh, now that all makes sense. And we started isolating calf even more in the Achilles and it was so much weaker on her left side. And she’s doing something cyclical like running. I’m assuming now, I’m making the hypothesis that she’s spending a lot more time and load on that right side.
So that same person can get an IT band program, but if that IT band program doesn’t address her left Achilles issues from the past that she had, the IT band would never get better because she keeps putting more stress at IT band. And that’s kind of how I think about like posture and pain in general. It’s like, it’s so hard to say this program is going to address your knee pain when there’s a thousand different reasons why someone might have knee pain. has to be super specific. So that’s one thing I look for. It’s like,
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Has something happened to you in the past that’s caused you to adopt a weird posture? Because if it did, and that posture correlates with like where the stress is being placed now, I probably want to start to address those things and do a deeper dive into like previous injuries. Got it. So wrapping up, I like to generally explore the life philosophies of the person that is in front of me. So what’s, what’s a view that you have that would make most people either scratch their head or get angry? I think in the beginning stages of life,
or as you’re starting to mature, it’s everyone else’s fault. And then in the middle stages of your life, it’s your fault. You just start to take this like Jocko Willink approach to extreme ownership. And then in the later stages of your life, you start to realize it was no one else’s fault. It was no one else’s responsibility. And I’m slowly learning more and more that like we attach our views of the world are so, limited, right? So that whenever we create these like,
steadfast rules or laws about anything or like, yep, this, if you have this, it’s because if you have back pain, it’s because of this. If you’re miserable, it’s because of this. It’s like, there’s so much nuance that is missed. And I feel like most people are doing that. There’s cranes, oversimplifications, your response for this, this response for this. When like, when you zoom out, they’re like, there’s so many things at play and it’s so much more complex than we expect it to be. But we live in a world where like, when we’re consuming content, we want something that’s like,
can feel it, it’s so tangible. But that’s just not how life works, right? We’re complex systems and we’re complex systems within another complex system and there are infinite, you know, we kind of said like we’re living in a, what’s it called again? Simulation. Yeah, there’s infinite possibilities of everything, right? So whenever we just say, oh, this is the root cause of this one issue.
that’s costing trillions and trillions of dollars. It’s like, wow, you seem really smart. You could fix all these issues. So I just think that at the end of the day, I think one thing that will make people scratch their heads, like when you go into the realm of a spirituality a bit deeper, you stop attaching judgment to so many things. And I think when you let go of stuff, everything becomes a little bit easier. But it’s this weird conundrum, right? It’s like, if I let go of these things, how can I ever like...
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be driven, be passionate, find a solution. But when you tend to just let it go, most of the things actually come to you. So I don’t know, just a weird shamble of information that I kind of just dropped. But I think at the end of the day, it’s like, if I had to say something, it’s just like, we just got to let go of things. Let go of feeling like you have to have something so concrete. I need to know exactly what the path is. I need to know. And that’s how we work with a lot of our patients, to tie it all back together.
In general, this is what the path is gonna look like, but I guarantee you we’re gonna have to go through a lot of different paths as we start to scale things. And as I start to get to know you more, start to assess things further, but I know what the next step is and that’s all we need. Let’s just take this next step together and I’ll keep figuring out the next steps with you until you get back to doing the things that you love without any pain. Instead of me telling you, you’re like, yep, this is it. This is the only path. You don’t stretch your hamstrings, you’re gonna be in back pain forever. It’s like, that’s never worked for anyone. So for the most part, it’s just like.
What is the next step? Let’s figure these things out together and let’s not attach so much emotion to these things. Sometimes it’s good to kind of put everything out on the table, right? Like there are lots of different options and in reality, like we’re only going to focus on the things that can move us forward. We can rest completely and not do anything, but we know we rest completely, not do anything. Our body’s not going to get better. We can do too much too soon and we’re just going to
going to cause an injury or an overuse of some sort. Or we could just figure out where we’re at right now and we’ll slowly push a little bit, a little bit more every day and just see what happens, see what the next day gives us and just go by that. So it’s like when you lay it out, like that’s really the only option that makes sense. That’s the only thing that’s going to allow us to build some resilience, get stronger and et cetera. Well, you said everything’s so complex. How do you act if everything is so complex? If you just, every decision you make is full of
no clear solution. think that’s where it’s good to have like certain heuristics. know, when I think of like principles, principles are things that we know to be true, like fundamental first principles. Heuristics are like frameworks or tactics that work 80 % of the time. And I just kind of, you like 80 because it’s like good numbers. It’s like 80-20. Everyone says it, Pareto’s principle. But it’s like, all right, I know that if I want to be happy,
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I shouldn’t give up so it’s a have you heard of Charlie Munger? You might not have the answer, but it’s okay. All you have to know is the things that you shouldn’t do, right? Because if you know what you shouldn’t do, you can do the opposite of it and you should be good. So life is a lot of like trying to figure out what we shouldn’t be doing. And we know that we can get better. I know if I go to rehab and I do the same three to five basic exercises and they don’t challenge me at all. And I’m just sitting in a corner and some high school intern is watching me do these exercises. It’s not going to help. Okay.
I know rehab needs to be hard, but it can’t be so hard that I get injured. So at some point I just need to figure out what the sweet spot is. If there are a lot of options on the table, what frameworks will help me? So a business thing that I like to think about is like, there’s a great book called 10 X is Easier than 2X. If I ask you how many ways you can 2X your business, you can give me 10,000 different ways. If I tell you how many ways can you 10X your business, you really might only come up with one or two things.
And I would rather focus on one or two things. So it’s always like having a lot of these frameworks in your head that you can kind of fall back on. And these multiple lenses will make things not completely clear, but it will slowly move you towards a path. Gotcha. Just think I’m going to grab that book. That sounds fascinating. What’s the biggest thing over the last two years you’ve changed your mind on? I feel like I change my mind every single week. What’s the big one? man. I think one of the biggest things I’ve changed my mind on recently is
The rate limiter for entrepreneurship and business and developing isn’t more tactics within those given like fields or subjects of like marketing or like sales communication, objection handling. You can learn all those things. It’s pretty easy. I think the biggest rate limiter is how well do you actually know yourself because there’s so many things that your software just has you on autopilot, right? And when you’re on autopilot,
you’re just repeating the same exact things constantly. So you can learn all these great things, sales, marketing, entrepreneurship, et cetera. But if you don’t actually change the foundation of who you are and how you see the world, you’re going to be screwed. And I think I’ve thought about that more and more recently where like, I’m just trying to get to know myself on a deeper level and who you are is at first a culmination of everyone that’s raised you, your experiences. And then when you look behind that, it’s a culmination of your heritage, right?
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It’s your family and your friends and the people that you grew up and you’re surrounded with. And then it becomes the history of your people. like I spent a long time thinking about who I am as a person. Then I started spending a long time of like my parents and how their mannerisms and beliefs have shaped the way I thought. And then Chinese people in general, like there’s like certain things that are just a cultural thing. So slowly expanding just to get to know myself a little bit deeper and realizing that, you know, there are things that
are limiting me from growth. a good example is like in Asian cultures, like you don’t want to, you don’t want to cause a ruckus. You don’t want to cause a problem. Just stay quiet. And what I realized is like, fuck, I’m a people pleaser. Like I love to please people and I hate making people feel super uncomfortable. And that’s a terrible thing to be when you’re trying to be a leader because you can’t be a people pleaser when you’re a leader. There’s people that grow up and they’re extremely independent and they’re really, really good. They crush it.
in the first half of life because they know how to get stuff done. But when they actually have to rely on other people to execute on bigger projects, the people that are extremely independent are just holding themselves back. So I always think about that. It’s like what got you here won’t get you there. So like that chip on your shoulder was great to initially build your business. But now you got to let go that chip on your shoulder because you’re using that chip has some sort of like scapegoat. know, like some people think, my self value is only coming from the fact that I work really, really hard.
But if you just keep working really, really hard, you’re not going to able to grow and scale your business or create a better life for yourself. Because if you just turn down the work hours and you have lower self-worth, how can you ever be happy? You kind of keep creating this self-fulfilling prophecy where I’m burnt out because I work so many hours, but I need to work so many hours so I could feel self-worth. And it’s until you realize that you just keep recreating the scenarios and the things that you’re comfortable with. And if you’re comfortable with chaos, it just sucks. It’s a life full of chaos.
That’s one thing I always think about. It’s like, just, know I’m recreating the scenarios that I say I don’t want somehow. So I got to figure out why. It’s a good way to, a good place to, uh, to end it. So is there anything you’re excited about at the moment you want to let the listeners in on? Yeah, it’s been on this, I’ve been thinking about emotions a lot. Uh, there’s this guy, his name is Joe Hudson and he says, whenever you feel stuck,
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creatively or in life or within a given circumstance or situation, you’re not allowing yourself to feel an emotion. And once you allow yourself to feel an emotion, everything else will unlock. And for some reason, I felt something visceral when I heard that. And then I realized, I was like, holy crap, like there are certain emotions I don’t really know how to feel in a way that is...
thoroughly feel. So it’s like, if you get angry in the Asian household, it’s like, oh, why are you angry? That’s so ridiculous. Like your life isn’t that hard. Like don’t be angry. But if you just keep suppressing someone’s anger, they don’t understand how to feel anger. So like for me personally, it’s like, I’m either extremely happy. I’m like 99 % of the time extremely happy. You 1 % time that I’m angry, I’m like very angry. So I don’t really know the spectrum of anger. I just know one side or the other, right?
So for me, it’s like, think once I learned how to be angry, feel it, not against anyone else, but just feel it internally, I think I’ll have better emotion regulation. Cause I think a lot of times I’m like, I don’t allow myself to actually be angry because I tell myself it’s not worth it to be angry. But then when you keep suppressing things, that’s not good for your health either. Other things that I think have a hard time feeling ashamed, it’s like, I don’t know how to feel shame. We always sweep everything underneath the rug because
You don’t want to lose face. You don’t lose respect for your peers. And I think this goes back to my earlier point. It’s like, if we don’t allow ourselves to feel these emotions, we’re going to keep recreating scenarios where until we feel those emotions, it’ll just keep showing up, keep showing up. And that’s intelligent design because I think as human beings, we should be able to feel everything and not be controlled by it. Whereas like, you know, certain philosophies like I’ve
shrunk the stoicism, Kool-Aid, and the extreme ownership, and that David Goggins is like super macho, nothing will hurt me, nothing will harm me, but I’m like, man, what a life where you just can’t feel emotions, you know what mean? Like, it’s life’s so much better when you can have a little bit of everything, you know? How good is a meal, how good is a great meal if you have it every single day? Like, is happiness really that great if you’re happy every single day? You probably want to be sad a little bit, and that’s okay. It’s okay to not be okay.
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I smash a steak and salad every single day and I couldn’t think of anything better and I’ve been doing that for years. I don’t know. Maybe, maybe I’m to push back on that one. Not the greatest analogy, but man, wouldn’t some sushi be amazing? I don’t know man. Steak and salad is pretty damn good. So let’s say you have a steak and salad. Now don’t have a steak and salad for a month. How is that steak and salad going to be after the month? Depends what I’ve done in the month. Depends on how shit the food’s been.
So where can people find you if they’re interested? Yeah, the easiest way to find me is on Instagram. It’s going to be at doctor.andyfaitachan. And we have three different things that we do. So the physical therapy practices at moment.ptp. So Peter Tom Peter and our education company where we teach other physical therapists our framework is at moment.education. And then we have a business coaching group. I think you’ll like this. It’s called at go getters coaching.
Because I just like, man, I want to attract the right type of people. And the people I want to work with are go-getters. If I have to tell you to do something and keep you extremely accountable, I’m like, listen, at some point, you just got to, I can’t fish for you. I can show you the way, but you’ve got to meet me halfway. My last question for you is, why do you think we’re on Earth? What’s the meaning of life? You know who Alan Watts is? I think my answer would have been completely different a month ago, but I discovered Alan Watts.
And I think the meaning of life is this, right? Like to be wherever your feet are should be where your mind is. And there’s so many times where like we’re trying to find a purpose of it all. But what if the purpose of life is just to be where you are, right? To think that like there is no pressure to do these insane magnitude of things. It’s like, you don’t have to put someone on the moon. You don’t have to cure every single disease. You don’t have to impress people and do all of these things that were
expectations that were put on you or maybe you put on yourself. I think the reason we’re on this earth is just to be. And it sounds crazy, but I think until you’ve had enough stress and you’ve burnt yourself out and you’ve gone mad in the process of, you know, trying to chase becoming the best version of yourself, you realize that like most of the time you just want to feel happy. You want to feel peace. You want to feel light. And the only time that you can feel those things is when you just are where you are. man. It’s a good way to end it. Appreciate you coming on.
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